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	<title>Comments on: iChat 3 vs. Adium</title>
	<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/</link>
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		<title>by: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-34287</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If iChat would make it so all of the other servers (Yahoo, MSN, etc) are in one window, and it actually WORKED properly, I'd be all over it. 

But sadly their multiple server support sucks, I am not going to run 5 different IM applications to talk to all my friends that don't use AIM. I LOVE iChat and it's looks. I LOVE IT. It just doesn't fit my needs. As far as the Adium being buggy comments. pfft.. I've never had problems with it. Some of you need to put your zealous hats away. 

I know Apple isn't being legally stopped from supporting such a thing (Because you can make it work ... somewhat...) so I can't feel sorry for them when they don't keep up with technology. 

Or maybe IM app companies need to come up with ONE chat protocol and fight for which app is better :P

Until then, I will always use the Application that does them all, with the least problems. And iChat simply isn't that program. And I so want it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If iChat would make it so all of the other servers (Yahoo, MSN, etc) are in one window, and it actually WORKED properly, I&#8217;d be all over it. </p>
<p>But sadly their multiple server support sucks, I am not going to run 5 different IM applications to talk to all my friends that don&#8217;t use AIM. I LOVE iChat and it&#8217;s looks. I LOVE IT. It just doesn&#8217;t fit my needs. As far as the Adium being buggy comments. pfft.. I&#8217;ve never had problems with it. Some of you need to put your zealous hats away. </p>
<p>I know Apple isn&#8217;t being legally stopped from supporting such a thing (Because you can make it work &#8230; somewhat&#8230;) so I can&#8217;t feel sorry for them when they don&#8217;t keep up with technology. </p>
<p>Or maybe IM app companies need to come up with ONE chat protocol and fight for which app is better <img src='http://www.stuffonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Until then, I will always use the Application that does them all, with the least problems. And iChat simply isn&#8217;t that program. And I so want it to be.
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		<title>by: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-23707</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree that some protocol-specific clients manage video chats or drag-n-drop file xfers better than Adium, but I prefer Adium because 
(a) it speaks _all_ the IM protocols and I have friends &amp;#38; family using all of them;
(b) create meta-contacts for friends that have multiple IM handles (like me); 
(c) keep track of IM logs easily by date and/or contact;
(d) I can tailor the notifications easily (text-to-voice on/off);
(e) it is very stable -- having never crashed in the last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that some protocol-specific clients manage video chats or drag-n-drop file xfers better than Adium, but I prefer Adium because<br />
(a) it speaks _all_ the IM protocols and I have friends &amp; family using all of them;<br />
(b) create meta-contacts for friends that have multiple IM handles (like me);<br />
(c) keep track of IM logs easily by date and/or contact;<br />
(d) I can tailor the notifications easily (text-to-voice on/off);<br />
(e) it is very stable &#8212; having never crashed in the last year.
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		<title>by: Travis Jeffery</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-21624</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I use Adium simply because it supports MSN's protocol which everyone I IM with uses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Adium simply because it supports MSN&#8217;s protocol which everyone I IM with uses.
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		<title>by: Chris Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-20994</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Adium: while there are geeky features like OTR, the main iChat deal-breaker is the incredibly wasteful UI: I need to keep three windows open to see all of my contacts, the Menu icon only lists one of three services at a time, they persist in displaying emptry groups in the lists, etc. Adium's auto-resize and screen-edge anchoring do the job better using about 20% of the screen real-estate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adium: while there are geeky features like OTR, the main iChat deal-breaker is the incredibly wasteful UI: I need to keep three windows open to see all of my contacts, the Menu icon only lists one of three services at a time, they persist in displaying emptry groups in the lists, etc. Adium&#8217;s auto-resize and screen-edge anchoring do the job better using about 20% of the screen real-estate.
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		<title>by: John Gruber</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-20673</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>iChat 3 FTW. I don't use any networks other than AIM, and Adium still can't do file transfers reliably. Not even a close call for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iChat 3 FTW. I don&#8217;t use any networks other than AIM, and Adium still can&#8217;t do file transfers reliably. Not even a close call for me.
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		<title>by: Albert</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-20649</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sadly, there are just enough people I want to keep in contact with who only use YIM that iChat only is not really an option for me. If iChat enabled YIM too, it would be a serious contender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, there are just enough people I want to keep in contact with who only use YIM that iChat only is not really an option for me. If iChat enabled YIM too, it would be a serious contender.
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		<title>by: kemuri</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-20621</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Adium. It's beautiful, never crashes, keeps nice logs, supports growl, supports msn/gtalk (i don't use aim), it's simple to use, and you can customize to your needs. Beats iChat imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adium. It&#8217;s beautiful, never crashes, keeps nice logs, supports growl, supports msn/gtalk (i don&#8217;t use aim), it&#8217;s simple to use, and you can customize to your needs. Beats iChat imho.
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		<title>by: Manton Reece</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-20600</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've used Adium for years and love it (the Adium developers have done a great job with the relatively-closed AIM platform), but iChat 3 has resolved my bigger gripes with the UI. The more reliable file transfer, audio/video support, and screen sharing stuff make it an easy choice for me to just finally use iChat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used Adium for years and love it (the Adium developers have done a great job with the relatively-closed AIM platform), but iChat 3 has resolved my bigger gripes with the UI. The more reliable file transfer, audio/video support, and screen sharing stuff make it an easy choice for me to just finally use iChat.
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		<title>by: Jeff Harrell</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-20599</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just to point-counterpoint things here, I wouldn't switch from iChat to Adium if you paid me. I used Adium for a while last year, when there was a mysterious and ultimately transient problem that prevented iChat from talking to Google's server through my office firewall. I would no sooner go back than I'd just wipe all my hard drives and give up on computers forever.

Adium's ugly as sin, overwhelmingly complex and, in my experience last year, depressingly unstable. The depressingly-unstable part is hopefully untrue now, but as far as I can tell, the ugly and complicated remain.

Does Adium still crash when an iChat user drags a picture into the chat? That used to drive a friend of mine nuts; I was crashing his Adium ten or twelve times a day.

Yes, I can see the virtue of having one list of contacts, but it's just not an issue to me. I have no particular opinion one way or the other.

Admittedly, Adium does have one feature I liked quite a lot: When a new chat window popped up, the last few lines from the previous conversation with that person appeared in the window. That was sometimes handy. I wouldn't complain if iChat did that.

But that one little nicety did not, for me, outweigh the sheer malaise I felt from having to stare at that ass-ugly program all day long.

Reasonable people may, of course, differ on that point. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to point-counterpoint things here, I wouldn&#8217;t switch from iChat to Adium if you paid me. I used Adium for a while last year, when there was a mysterious and ultimately transient problem that prevented iChat from talking to Google&#8217;s server through my office firewall. I would no sooner go back than I&#8217;d just wipe all my hard drives and give up on computers forever.</p>
<p>Adium&#8217;s ugly as sin, overwhelmingly complex and, in my experience last year, depressingly unstable. The depressingly-unstable part is hopefully untrue now, but as far as I can tell, the ugly and complicated remain.</p>
<p>Does Adium still crash when an iChat user drags a picture into the chat? That used to drive a friend of mine nuts; I was crashing his Adium ten or twelve times a day.</p>
<p>Yes, I can see the virtue of having one list of contacts, but it&#8217;s just not an issue to me. I have no particular opinion one way or the other.</p>
<p>Admittedly, Adium does have one feature I liked quite a lot: When a new chat window popped up, the last few lines from the previous conversation with that person appeared in the window. That was sometimes handy. I wouldn&#8217;t complain if iChat did that.</p>
<p>But that one little nicety did not, for me, outweigh the sheer malaise I felt from having to stare at that ass-ugly program all day long.</p>
<p>Reasonable people may, of course, differ on that point. <img src='http://www.stuffonfire.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-20596</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/10/29/ichat-3-vs-adium/#comment-20596</guid>
					<description>The only time I use iChat is when I want to do a video chat. Adium seems to beat iChat at everything, including customization, keeping multiple accounts in one buddy list (rather than 3... seriously Apple, what the hell?) and basic preferences such as overwriting everyone's buddy icon with their Address Book pictures. I wish Apple had opened up a video chat API so Adium could have integrated it and used it. Then I would have the perfect IM client...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only time I use iChat is when I want to do a video chat. Adium seems to beat iChat at everything, including customization, keeping multiple accounts in one buddy list (rather than 3&#8230; seriously Apple, what the hell?) and basic preferences such as overwriting everyone&#8217;s buddy icon with their Address Book pictures. I wish Apple had opened up a video chat API so Adium could have integrated it and used it. Then I would have the perfect IM client&#8230;
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