Comments on: 10 Reasons Why I Hate svn http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/ don't you worry about blank, let me worry about blank Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:18:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1-alpha2 by: .svn my rear http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-33912 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:06:10 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-33912 I think your description of "svn cleanup" is the most accurate description of all. I especially love when you run "svn cleanup" and it dies with said cryptic errors and gives you the helpful advice to "run svn cleanup"! Like "svn help cleanup" has anything useful. How about "svn fix-my-shit-no-really-I-mean-it" Atomic Commits and a stable repository are all great. I've never had a busted repository. The same cannot be said about the working copy. I cannot count how many times Visual Studio, or a unix script, trashed the working copy. Blame it on something other then subversion, maybe but I say the ".svn" litter is the biggest design flaw in subversion. I think your description of “svn cleanup” is the most accurate description of all.

I especially love when you run “svn cleanup” and it dies with said cryptic errors and gives you the helpful advice to “run svn cleanup”! Like “svn help cleanup” has anything useful. How about “svn fix-my-shit-no-really-I-mean-it”

Atomic Commits and a stable repository are all great. I’ve never had a busted repository. The same cannot be said about the working copy. I cannot count how many times Visual Studio, or a unix script, trashed the working copy. Blame it on something other then subversion, maybe but I say the “.svn” litter is the biggest design flaw in subversion.

]]> by: Richard http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-32271 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:58:38 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-32271 I work with svn and am branching and merging each and every day and it works just fine. I don't know what your problem is! I work with svn and am branching and merging each and every day and it works just fine. I don’t know what your problem is!

]]> by: SVN y Eclipse: Hacer un merge | 4 bits blog http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-31035 Mon, 19 May 2008 12:55:16 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-31035 [...] Este método es exactamente lo que se debe hacer también para volver a una versión anterior (ahora que está de moda, imaginemos el fallo de Debian), salvo el paso 5 ya que estamos con la misma URL. A pesar de que algunos lo odien, SVN es a buen seguro la herramienta de control de versiones más extendida y espero que lo anterior os sirva para vuestro día a día. [...] […] Este método es exactamente lo que se debe hacer también para volver a una versión anterior (ahora que está de moda, imaginemos el fallo de Debian), salvo el paso 5 ya que estamos con la misma URL. A pesar de que algunos lo odien, SVN es a buen seguro la herramienta de control de versiones más extendida y espero que lo anterior os sirva para vuestro día a día. […]

]]> by: Mark Helmstetter http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-23081 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:17:42 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-23081 Amen! What a relief to see someone expressing these kinds of frustrations. Every time I bitch about Subversion, I get funny looks from people. People who have used subversion but have done little more than svn checkout and svn commit. Anyone who has every worked with branches and merges with svn should know what the pain points are. Why do we these fancy tricks and shell scripts to "ease the pain" of merging? Oh, and what about "svn cleanup" -- WTF? Ever count the number of metadata files that svn creates? Amen! What a relief to see someone expressing these kinds of frustrations. Every time I bitch about Subversion, I get funny looks from people. People who have used subversion but have done little more than svn checkout and svn commit. Anyone who has every worked with branches and merges with svn should know what the pain points are. Why do we these fancy tricks and shell scripts to “ease the pain” of merging? Oh, and what about “svn cleanup” — WTF? Ever count the number of metadata files that svn creates?

]]> by: Mark Grimes http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-17798 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:08:15 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-17798 I needed decentralized version control with strong subversion integration to support projects out of my administrative control. Git worked out nice for me. I use it native on my own projects, and bidirectional to svn server on sizable repos (like MacPorts). I tried to like alternatives but I always found my way back to git, mostly due to subversion integration and not speed and scalability which are also healthy factors that might come to play. I needed decentralized version control with strong subversion integration to support projects out of my administrative control. Git worked out nice for me. I use it native on my own projects, and bidirectional to svn server on sizable repos (like MacPorts). I tried to like alternatives but I always found my way back to git, mostly due to subversion integration and not speed and scalability which are also healthy factors that might come to play.

]]> by: Max http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-17540 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:53:46 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-17540 We went through all the same pain points as you describe. While SVN is better than CVS, it's really not setting the bar very high! As per your point 9, we've seen much instability on Win32 (TortoiseSVN crashes regularly, and running certain operations using the command-line client seems to make the working copy incompatible). Just as Jojo did, we ended up switching to Mercurial. We don't have fancy GUIs (but we don't need them), but it is *fast*, it works, it doesn't get in your way, and it has sane branching and merging. Signed - a very happy Hg convert We went through all the same pain points as you describe. While SVN is better than CVS, it’s really not setting the bar very high! As per your point 9, we’ve seen much instability on Win32 (TortoiseSVN crashes regularly, and running certain operations using the command-line client seems to make the working copy incompatible).

Just as Jojo did, we ended up switching to Mercurial. We don’t have fancy GUIs (but we don’t need them), but it is *fast*, it works, it doesn’t get in your way, and it has sane branching and merging.

Signed - a very happy Hg convert

]]> by: JM http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-17502 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:39:44 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-17502 Ops, sorry for my mistake with the link: <a href="http://www.plasticscm.com" rel="nofollow">PlasticSCM</a> Ops, sorry for my mistake with the link:

PlasticSCM

]]> by: JM http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-17501 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:38:22 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-17501 Yes, svn is a pain if you're working all the time with branches and merges. Take a look at <a href="http://www.pasticscm.com" rel="nofollow">PlasticSCM</a>. It's worth to try it. Cheers! JM Yes, svn is a pain if you’re working all the time with branches and merges.

Take a look at PlasticSCM. It’s worth to try it.

Cheers!

JM

]]> by: Jojo http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-16881 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:29:38 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-16881 After using Subversion together with SVK for a while, we switched to Mercurial: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/ And didn't regret it... After using Subversion together with SVK for a while, we switched to Mercurial:

http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/

And didn’t regret it…

]]> by: Mike http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-16845 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:23:18 +0000 http://www.stuffonfire.com/2007/09/13/10-reasons-why-i-hate-svn/#comment-16845 Preach on brother! SVN is junk, CVS is better, though not by a lot, and RCS is still a man's man tool and doesn't rip your shit apart. Preach on brother!

SVN is junk, CVS is better, though not by a lot, and RCS is still a man’s man tool and doesn’t rip your shit apart.

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